you know, when president obama talked about the deaths in benghazi with jon stewart not being optimal, using that language, after a joke, a set joke where he said that's not very sexy in terms of something else, and stewart said you don't know what may be sexy to me. it demeans those kinds of -- four deaths should not be yuck yuck in the middle of a conversation on comedy central. >> on one hand, jon stewart is trying to get serious questions, not just a laugh fest. on the other hand, you say the ajay's ensee of kidding around about deaths of american diplomats troubles you. >> it says to me you demean the presidency. what we lose on this, president obama is great on the shows but we lose the gettysburg address, that end of the presidency, when you can speak to better angels and elevate us, he is taking us into late night tv on the couch instead of to gettysburg and that's a danger because we need that, too, from a president. >> these days the gettysburg address would be way too long for television, you would get a ten second sound bite. >>> still to come, "the new york times" banned